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		<title>By: Ryan Boder</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 12:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Andrew,

Years ago, when this post was written, Vivint did not have a $49.99 security-only package like you are referring to. The Vivint salesmen I spoke with prided themselves on never taking less than $69/month. The people I interviewed who were Vivint customers and/or had been pitched by Vivint door-knockers, corroborated this. This article was written a year before you became a Vivint salesman in 2012, as I can see on your Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/andrew.garrett.7737/about

Why is it that those who disagree with or object to this post usually turn out to be Vivint employees?

However, I see your point, this article should be updated to reflect Vivint&#039;s current pricing. I will take care of that for you right now. I hope that doing so will, in your eyes, redeem my ethics.

I would also like to point out a few things you said that I disagree with.

1) We don&#039;t operate out of my garage. We have a 5000 sq ft office in Columbus, Ohio. I highly recommend that anybody in central Ohio considering Vivint check us out and compare. If you decide that Vivint is the better service, by all means become a Vivint customer. However, I am proud to say that has never happened that I am aware of, not once.

2) Compared to Vivint we absolutely are a little company. Is that a bad thing? I don&#039;t think so. However, we are growing.

3) I don&#039;t think Vivint, as a company, is unethical. I think the practice Vivint has championed of knocking on a door with a tech sitting around the corner, hurriedly talking someone into signing a 42 month contract on the spot, and installing the same day is unethical. We don&#039;t do it and we won&#039;t do it. The customer never has a chance to shop around and by the time they think it through and buyer&#039;s remorse sets in, the system has already been installed and the salesman has moved on. In Ohio, we have regulations against this kind of shady sales practice and that&#039;s why you don&#039;t see many Vivint signs around here - because the customer has to sign the contract 3 days before the installation takes place.

4) Being listed as one of Forbes&#039; top 100 most promising companies does not say anything about your ethics, just your financials. That&#039;s a weak argument.

Best Regards,
Ryan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>Years ago, when this post was written, Vivint did not have a $49.99 security-only package like you are referring to. The Vivint salesmen I spoke with prided themselves on never taking less than $69/month. The people I interviewed who were Vivint customers and/or had been pitched by Vivint door-knockers, corroborated this. This article was written a year before you became a Vivint salesman in 2012, as I can see on your Facebook page.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/andrew.garrett.7737/about" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/andrew.garrett.7737/about</a></p>
<p>Why is it that those who disagree with or object to this post usually turn out to be Vivint employees?</p>
<p>However, I see your point, this article should be updated to reflect Vivint&#8217;s current pricing. I will take care of that for you right now. I hope that doing so will, in your eyes, redeem my ethics.</p>
<p>I would also like to point out a few things you said that I disagree with.</p>
<p>1) We don&#8217;t operate out of my garage. We have a 5000 sq ft office in Columbus, Ohio. I highly recommend that anybody in central Ohio considering Vivint check us out and compare. If you decide that Vivint is the better service, by all means become a Vivint customer. However, I am proud to say that has never happened that I am aware of, not once.</p>
<p>2) Compared to Vivint we absolutely are a little company. Is that a bad thing? I don&#8217;t think so. However, we are growing.</p>
<p>3) I don&#8217;t think Vivint, as a company, is unethical. I think the practice Vivint has championed of knocking on a door with a tech sitting around the corner, hurriedly talking someone into signing a 42 month contract on the spot, and installing the same day is unethical. We don&#8217;t do it and we won&#8217;t do it. The customer never has a chance to shop around and by the time they think it through and buyer&#8217;s remorse sets in, the system has already been installed and the salesman has moved on. In Ohio, we have regulations against this kind of shady sales practice and that&#8217;s why you don&#8217;t see many Vivint signs around here &#8211; because the customer has to sign the contract 3 days before the installation takes place.</p>
<p>4) Being listed as one of Forbes&#8217; top 100 most promising companies does not say anything about your ethics, just your financials. That&#8217;s a weak argument.</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Garrett</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 05:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ryan,

Before you accuse one of Forbes magazines top 100 most promising companies of being unethical, why don&#039;t you take a look in the mirror. In my opinion, your article is unethical because it is misleading. You say that Vivint charges $69/month for security which is not true. They charge $69/month for home automation, which includes heating and air, automatic door locks, and video surveillance. Make sure you get your facts straight--honesty is the best policy. If you have to trash other companies to make your company look better, then it probably isn&#039;t all that great in the first place. Nobody has ever heard of your little company that you run from your garage, but Vivint is now going international in Europe and Australia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>Before you accuse one of Forbes magazines top 100 most promising companies of being unethical, why don&#8217;t you take a look in the mirror. In my opinion, your article is unethical because it is misleading. You say that Vivint charges $69/month for security which is not true. They charge $69/month for home automation, which includes heating and air, automatic door locks, and video surveillance. Make sure you get your facts straight&#8211;honesty is the best policy. If you have to trash other companies to make your company look better, then it probably isn&#8217;t all that great in the first place. Nobody has ever heard of your little company that you run from your garage, but Vivint is now going international in Europe and Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Boder</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Matt, I don&#039;t have any information for you on that side of the company but if you decide to take it, let us know how it goes. Best Regards, Ryan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt, I don&#8217;t have any information for you on that side of the company but if you decide to take it, let us know how it goes. Best Regards, Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: matt f</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>matt f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was recently offered a job for vivint. I am a college student, and would have to relocate to hawaii to take the job as a door to door salesman. now i can definitely see ryan&#039;s side and opinion on the company, with respect to its actions in the home security industry. However, i would be working for vivint&#039;s solar energy branch, which as i was told, works in a similar manner. It negates the upfront cost of the equipment and installation, but charges consumers for the energy, at prices that match or are lower than what the consumer&#039;s current monthly energy bill is (you can imagine the profits that can be made here in the long run). Even if its not the best deal in town, in my opinion its pretty hard to turn down an offer from a college student where the only thing you are being &quot;scammed&quot; out of is money that you would save. It seems more ethical, successful, and you are helping the environment to boot. Anyways, i cant seem to find much information on this aspect of the company, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or feedback on it, and if i should accept the summer job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently offered a job for vivint. I am a college student, and would have to relocate to hawaii to take the job as a door to door salesman. now i can definitely see ryan&#8217;s side and opinion on the company, with respect to its actions in the home security industry. However, i would be working for vivint&#8217;s solar energy branch, which as i was told, works in a similar manner. It negates the upfront cost of the equipment and installation, but charges consumers for the energy, at prices that match or are lower than what the consumer&#8217;s current monthly energy bill is (you can imagine the profits that can be made here in the long run). Even if its not the best deal in town, in my opinion its pretty hard to turn down an offer from a college student where the only thing you are being &#8220;scammed&#8221; out of is money that you would save. It seems more ethical, successful, and you are helping the environment to boot. Anyways, i cant seem to find much information on this aspect of the company, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or feedback on it, and if i should accept the summer job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Boder</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake, there are a lot of good things about Vivint, I agree with that. I certainty like you better than ADT. As a business, Vivint is a force to be reckoned with and growing fast. Yes, we use the exact same 2GIG equipment you do and I am a big fan of 2GIG. Why did Todd leave 2GIG for Vivint? I don&#039;t know, ask Todd. Probably because there is a lot more money to be made in selling alarm contracts than selling alarm equipment. Why did I write this article? First and foremost because it&#039;s accurate, informative and pretty hilarious to read. It&#039;s been read by many and I get very positive feedback about it. Second, it&#039;s a great way to inform the public that we do everything you do and more, but we do it technically better and at a better price. We aren&#039;t nearly as good at hard selling as Vivint, but we&#039;re better at providing security and home automation and we&#039;re better at keeping our customers happy. I think people deserve to know that, don&#039;t you? How do I have time to respond to these comments? It ain&#039;t easy, I don&#039;t sleep much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake, there are a lot of good things about Vivint, I agree with that. I certainty like you better than ADT. As a business, Vivint is a force to be reckoned with and growing fast. Yes, we use the exact same 2GIG equipment you do and I am a big fan of 2GIG. Why did Todd leave 2GIG for Vivint? I don&#8217;t know, ask Todd. Probably because there is a lot more money to be made in selling alarm contracts than selling alarm equipment. Why did I write this article? First and foremost because it&#8217;s accurate, informative and pretty hilarious to read. It&#8217;s been read by many and I get very positive feedback about it. Second, it&#8217;s a great way to inform the public that we do everything you do and more, but we do it technically better and at a better price. We aren&#8217;t nearly as good at hard selling as Vivint, but we&#8217;re better at providing security and home automation and we&#8217;re better at keeping our customers happy. I think people deserve to know that, don&#8217;t you? How do I have time to respond to these comments? It ain&#8217;t easy, I don&#8217;t sleep much.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Adams</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do work for Vivint, and I have loved every second of it! It&#039;s awesome being a part of a company with such a promising future. The rebrand in 2011 has been a huge success. Vivint and the color orange stand out a lot more than APX, and the color blue. How many alarm companies have a three letter name? A lot! Yes there are bad reviews about Vivint/APX, but when you have a lot of customers your bound to have complaints. You probably know the details on the complaints better than I do, but last I checked Vivint has 1300 complaints on the BBB, and all of them have been resolved. 1300 hundred complaints for over 500,000 customers nationwide is actually really good. 

I honestly don&#039;t know what you thought you were going to accomplish with this article on Vivint, because any smart consumer will look up the good and the bad about any company before making a buying decision. Clearly the numbers say that the good about Vivint out weigh the bad. Forbes recently ranked Vivint the 46th most promising company in America. I believe they were the only Home automation company in over 100 companies they ranked. I could list a ton of awards Vivint has won but that would take too long. You&#039;ve done a great job at looking up the bad about VIvint, but have you looked up anything good? I don&#039;t think you have or you wouldn&#039;t have wrote this article. 

Doesn&#039;t your company use 2 gig? Why did the former President of 2 gig, Todd Santiago leave to be the Chief Sales officer at Vivint? Why did Blackstone aquire 2 gig then right after aquire Vivint for 2 billion dollars? I think I saw your the president of your company, how do you even have the time to respond to these comments? I do wish you the best of luck, with your company. Sounds like you offer a great deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do work for Vivint, and I have loved every second of it! It&#8217;s awesome being a part of a company with such a promising future. The rebrand in 2011 has been a huge success. Vivint and the color orange stand out a lot more than APX, and the color blue. How many alarm companies have a three letter name? A lot! Yes there are bad reviews about Vivint/APX, but when you have a lot of customers your bound to have complaints. You probably know the details on the complaints better than I do, but last I checked Vivint has 1300 complaints on the BBB, and all of them have been resolved. 1300 hundred complaints for over 500,000 customers nationwide is actually really good. </p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know what you thought you were going to accomplish with this article on Vivint, because any smart consumer will look up the good and the bad about any company before making a buying decision. Clearly the numbers say that the good about Vivint out weigh the bad. Forbes recently ranked Vivint the 46th most promising company in America. I believe they were the only Home automation company in over 100 companies they ranked. I could list a ton of awards Vivint has won but that would take too long. You&#8217;ve done a great job at looking up the bad about VIvint, but have you looked up anything good? I don&#8217;t think you have or you wouldn&#8217;t have wrote this article. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t your company use 2 gig? Why did the former President of 2 gig, Todd Santiago leave to be the Chief Sales officer at Vivint? Why did Blackstone aquire 2 gig then right after aquire Vivint for 2 billion dollars? I think I saw your the president of your company, how do you even have the time to respond to these comments? I do wish you the best of luck, with your company. Sounds like you offer a great deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Boder</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Blake, you would know better than I, this article is about you. Your Facebook page says you started working at Vivint in 2011 while you were a college student at BYU in Utah.

https://www.facebook.com/blake.adams.5074

I also see that you have a Texas alarm salesman license issued as a Vivint employee.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/psb/individual/individual_details.aspx?id=8kt2G%7C2t0

Tell us, why did Vivint change it&#039;s name from APX just before you started working there? Was it because they had a reputation for honest sales tactics?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSHgKSp2Mo

Was it honest of you to refer to Vivint in the 3rd person in you comment given that you work there? Thanks for helping make my point. FYI, I don&#039;t think all of Vivint&#039;s employees are dishonest and pushy. I even know and like a few of them. Even they admit to the reputation Vivint has earned itself. Is it possible for a company with a bad reputation to be big and successful? Ask ADT. I&#039;ll admit that Vivint is doing a great deal now to try and fix bad rep but it&#039;s a rep that was well deserved and you know that first hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blake, you would know better than I, this article is about you. Your Facebook page says you started working at Vivint in 2011 while you were a college student at BYU in Utah.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/blake.adams.5074" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/blake.adams.5074</a></p>
<p>I also see that you have a Texas alarm salesman license issued as a Vivint employee.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/psb/individual/individual_details.aspx?id=8kt2G%7C2t0" rel="nofollow">https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/psb/individual/individual_details.aspx?id=8kt2G%7C2t0</a></p>
<p>Tell us, why did Vivint change it&#8217;s name from APX just before you started working there? Was it because they had a reputation for honest sales tactics?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSHgKSp2Mo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSHgKSp2Mo</a></p>
<p>Was it honest of you to refer to Vivint in the 3rd person in you comment given that you work there? Thanks for helping make my point. FYI, I don&#8217;t think all of Vivint&#8217;s employees are dishonest and pushy. I even know and like a few of them. Even they admit to the reputation Vivint has earned itself. Is it possible for a company with a bad reputation to be big and successful? Ask ADT. I&#8217;ll admit that Vivint is doing a great deal now to try and fix bad rep but it&#8217;s a rep that was well deserved and you know that first hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Adams</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well geez I wonder how Vivint is one of the largest alarm companies if they just send out college kids from Utah. 
Why would Blackstone one of the largest investment firms in the world acquire 2 gig then right after buy out vivint for 2 billion dollars?  How does a company grow so much when most of their employees are dishonest, pushy college kids?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well geez I wonder how Vivint is one of the largest alarm companies if they just send out college kids from Utah.<br />
Why would Blackstone one of the largest investment firms in the world acquire 2 gig then right after buy out vivint for 2 billion dollars?  How does a company grow so much when most of their employees are dishonest, pushy college kids?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Boder</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Preston,

You make some good points and I&#039;ll admit that I have a habit of talking smack about Vivint. This article is a little exaggerated in an attempt to be funny so if I&#039;ve offended you I apologize. However, I think you&#039;re underplaying the huge difference between a college kid who will only be around a few months and an experienced adult who&#039;s livelihood depends on building long term trust with customers. If the college kid misunderstands, get&#039;s lazy or misleads the potential customer then there are little to no repercussions for that bad behavior. By the time the system fails the customer, the salesman is long gone and the customer is left to deal with Vivint&#039;s legal team, they have no one to hold responsible. When customers deal with my security engineers, the individual who designed the system will have their feet held to the fire for any mistake they might have made and God help them if they lied to a customer because they would have to deal with me. Good sales is about trust.

You&#039;re right that it doesn&#039;t require someone with my advanced engineering background to design a security layout. Someone with my background is capable of actually designing the security equipment itself which is what I used to do for a living and how I got involved in this industry. However, a strong technical background does help. I understand the equipment better than any Vivint door to door sales trainer and you can take that to the bank. Hence, the salesmen I train benefit from that higher level of understanding and have a better understanding of the equipment, it&#039;s capabilities and limitations than a Vivint salesman.

Would you feel more comfortable buying a car from a fly-by-night used car salesman still in college that only intends to be in the business for a few months or an experienced adult who has been well trained by the manufacturer and is making a career out of helping people choose the right car? That&#039;s the difference I&#039;m talking about. It&#039;s even more significant in this case because security systems need to be more customized than cars.

Best Regards,
Ryan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preston,</p>
<p>You make some good points and I&#8217;ll admit that I have a habit of talking smack about Vivint. This article is a little exaggerated in an attempt to be funny so if I&#8217;ve offended you I apologize. However, I think you&#8217;re underplaying the huge difference between a college kid who will only be around a few months and an experienced adult who&#8217;s livelihood depends on building long term trust with customers. If the college kid misunderstands, get&#8217;s lazy or misleads the potential customer then there are little to no repercussions for that bad behavior. By the time the system fails the customer, the salesman is long gone and the customer is left to deal with Vivint&#8217;s legal team, they have no one to hold responsible. When customers deal with my security engineers, the individual who designed the system will have their feet held to the fire for any mistake they might have made and God help them if they lied to a customer because they would have to deal with me. Good sales is about trust.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that it doesn&#8217;t require someone with my advanced engineering background to design a security layout. Someone with my background is capable of actually designing the security equipment itself which is what I used to do for a living and how I got involved in this industry. However, a strong technical background does help. I understand the equipment better than any Vivint door to door sales trainer and you can take that to the bank. Hence, the salesmen I train benefit from that higher level of understanding and have a better understanding of the equipment, it&#8217;s capabilities and limitations than a Vivint salesman.</p>
<p>Would you feel more comfortable buying a car from a fly-by-night used car salesman still in college that only intends to be in the business for a few months or an experienced adult who has been well trained by the manufacturer and is making a career out of helping people choose the right car? That&#8217;s the difference I&#8217;m talking about. It&#8217;s even more significant in this case because security systems need to be more customized than cars.</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Boder</title>
		<link>http://suretyCAM.com/knock-knock-whos-there-a-college-kid-from-utah/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melis,

How do you feel about window and door reinforcement to actually help prevent a burglar from breaking in?

Best Regards,
Ryan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melis,</p>
<p>How do you feel about window and door reinforcement to actually help prevent a burglar from breaking in?</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Ryan</p>
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