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Knock Knock. Who’s There? A College Kid From Utah!

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Knock Knock. Who’s There? A College Kid From Utah!

Vivint, the living, breathing door to door sales machine of the alarm industry, is arguably the most interesting thing to happen to security alarms in the past few years. They are having amazing success selling home security alarms and automation systems by sending massive teams of college kids door to door during their summer breaks.

What are the pros and cons of buying from these kids?

Pros

  • They have a great product! They use the exact same 2GIG equipment we use at suretyCAM, although they print their company name on it and they charge more for it.
  • They clearly get it. They know where the security and automation industry is going and they are moving in the right direction, the same direction we’re moving at suretyCAM.
  • They’re outperforming the 800 pound gorilla. They’re reaching potential customers at the front door and selling them a system before they have time to call ADT.

Cons

  • They sell aggressively and push you to make a hasty decision about home security, often taking advantage of vulnerable decision makers. Would you like it if a smooth-talking young sales shark convinced your grandparents to make a rash decision and sign a three and a half year contract?
  • They drastically over-inflate the actual cost of the equipment they’re selling you so you think you’re getting a better deal than you actually are. I’ve seen their quotes and we sell the exact same 2GIG equipment for nearly half of what Vivint tells you it’s worth. We’ll sell it to you for a reasonable price every time without gimmicks or sales tricks because we want your long-term business and your respect.
  • Their office isn’t local! Their sales teams and installers aren’t local! They literally ship these kids to your city during the summer months from Utah to sell as many systems as possible and then they pack up and leave a minimal service team behind to help you if you have trouble once school starts. At suretyCAM we sell to and service Columbus, OH. Our office is in Columbus, OH. When you need help we’re right here in Columbus, OH.

Should you buy a system from Vivint? Maybe, maybe not. That’s entirely up to you. They’re a good company and I like what they’re doing but you can get literally the exact same thing from your favorite local security company, suretyCAM, at a significantly lower price. You also get far better security from suretyCAM when you factor in our D Fence program, our door and window reinforcement packages and our superior security camera systems. Don’t hastily buy your security system from a pushy sales kid who just showed up at your door, tell him to come back later and call suretyCAM at (855) 787-3891 to find out what your options are. Then make an informed decision.

Update: The response to this post has been incredible! Thank you for all your support! Funny story… I just got a call from Hunter at Vivint Security posing as an interested customer and gathering information about our prices. He said his name was Glenn Burnie and he had just stumbled upon this article using Google. He even called from a Utah area code and he gave me a fake address with a zip code that’s not in Columbus Ohio! Newsflash Hunter… every zip code in Ohio starts with a 4. I guess when Vivint says “simply smarter” and “live intelligent” it doesn’t apply to their employees! (kidding) Thanks Hunter, it feels good to know we’ve made it onto Vivint’s radar, I view that as an accomplishment. No hard feelings, I like you guys and what you’re doing, I even envy the effectiveness of your door to door sales team, it’s just that we do security better. I wasn’t going to do this but after Hunter’s call I’m going to write a little about pricing.

We’ve talked to quite a few people who have invited Vivint sales kids into their homes and received quotes. Here is the skinny… They tell you the equipment you’re getting is worth a lot more than it actually is. On average they told these people the equipment they would be getting costs a little over $1,500 but Vivint will give it to them for free if they just sign a 46 month contract at $79/month. (Reminds me of ADT’s free $850 system that isn’t) Then they let the you talk them down to $69/month so you think you’re getting a bargain. Over 46 months that $69/month amounts to $3,174. How are we different? We ask you to actually pay for the equipment but we sell it at a great price, we don’t inflate it. Then we give you a reasonable monthly fee of $30.95/month. Over a 46 month contract you will usually save over $1,000 by getting your 2GIG Alarm.com system from suretyCAM instead of Vivint. Never mind that we don’t require a 3.5 year contract like Vivint does and that with suretyCAM you get to buy your system from security experts with experience, not college kids on their summer break who just took a crash course in security last month and started knocking on doors. There’s no denying you get better security and better value by choosing suretyCAM instead of Vivint. All we ask is that you talk to us and decide for yourself before signing that 46 month contract with the smooth talker in the orange shirt at your doorstep. We’ll make it worth your while.

Update: As pointed out by a Vivint employee in the comments, Vivint now offers a $49.99/month 42 month security-only package which is comparable to suretyCAM’s $45.95/month 36 month interactive security package. So with suretyCAM, you now only save $4.04 per month and 6 contract months while getting superior service with the exact same features from a local, Columbus Ohio company.



Ryan Boder

About the Author:

Ryan Boder founded suretyCAM with a single goal – to shake up the security industry and show customers that it can be done differently, that it can be done better. The security industry needs a shot in the arm. Ryan brings a fresh perspective that is based on common sense as well as advanced engineering. His background as a software, electrical and computer engineer developing top secret military systems has given him the ideal technical foundation on which to build the next generation of security and automation services. suretyCAM is not a sales organization, it is a security engineering firm owned and managed by engineers. Our mission is to help you protect yourself by providing you with the tools and the knowledge to do so. Ryan’s experience in home security includes designing and installing custom security systems for the high-end residences of the rich and famous. Millionaires and even billionaires have trusted Ryan to design their home security systems and now he’s applying those same concepts to your home. Receiving a B.S. degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering, from Carnegie Mellon University and a M.S. degree in Computer Engineering, from Ohio State University, Ryan’s work has been featured in the United States Army and Navy systems as well as Israeli, French, South Korean and Italian defense systems. Ryan’s areas of expertise are security and automation systems, the cohesive integration of heterogeneous devices, QoS in wireless networks, instrumentation radar and motion control, distributed system design, real-time operating systems, reliable embedded systems, discrete event simulators, Internet and web based software, and project management. Contact Ryan at Ryan.Boder@suretyCAM.com or 855-787-3891 x 500.

Discussion

  1. Joe  August 4, 2011

    Fantastic. You couldn’t be more right about Vivint and the Vivint salesmen. They are definitely going for quantity over quality.

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  October 16, 2011

      Thanks Joe! We’re definitely going for both quantity and quality. I hope Vivint didn’t leave a bunch of holes in your walls for you to patch up!

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  2. Ms. C  August 30, 2011

    I was recently lured to try to sell this stuff, I was shocked at the lack of ethics they push on elderly, and women. Also, they press that I should walk in the dark in a VERY bad district where gangs, wild dogs (abandoned in my opinion) are ramped.

    I am not a person who answers the door, but I need a job, and these people are there… seems too fishy to me that I have to trick my customers to letting me in, and once I get in, don’t leave until they sign the contract!!! wtf is that about!! I do not believe I need that bs in my life, that’s just bad karma.

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  October 16, 2011

      Ms. C, they do it because it works. People are buying it. They’re the fastest growing security alarm company in the United States. Glad to hear you see the light. If you’re looking for a more rewarding job we have a sales position open. Check out our job postings page.

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  3. jay  November 5, 2011

    I’m a contract installer for ADT and i heard through the grape vine that if an intruder comes in through the front door and can get to the system in time and slam it on the ground it can keep it from sending signals…is that true?

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  November 7, 2011

      Jay, yes that is true with ADT systems but not with our 2GIG Alarm.com systems. Our systems have a patented feature called crash and smash protection that sends an alarm signal even if the intruder comes through the front door and smashes the panel before the entry delay countdown finishes. It works by first sending a signal to Alarm.com as soon as the door is opened that tells Alarm.com someone has entered and to stand by for the system to send a disarm message when the user enters their code to disarm. If that disarm message isn’t received then Alarm.com assumes the panel has been smashed and issues a crash and smash alarm to notify the police.

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  4. Nicole  November 19, 2011

    Sounds like you have some bright ideas for your company. However, if I lived in Ohio I wouldn’t buy from you simply over the fact that you feel the only way to get people to buy from your company is to talk down on your competition. I understand comparing yourself to other companies but it almost seems desperate to use the college kid excuse as a reason why your company is better. If you can’t come up with something better to make you stand out then your product really isn’t worth it. By the way, price is a factor when getting a system but it shouldn’t be the deciding factor. You pay for what you get right? And you wonder why Vivint is the fastest growing. They actually have a product that’s worth the time and money and yet they’re still affordable for everyone.

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  November 20, 2011

      Hi Nicole, it’s refreshing to hear from someone who likes Vivint. I also like Vivint although I am critical of some of their business practices. For example, I take home security very seriously, it’s something that should be provided by an experienced engineer who knows a lot about security, not by a college kid who is just trying to make a quick buck on his summer break. That is a fair criticism that people should be made aware of, not a cheap shot. Where will that college kid be after your home is broken into? In Cancun on spring break? I’ll tell you where I’ll be if you buy from us, I’ll be at your house making sure your security system is still working flawlessly.

      I very much agree that price isn’t the only factor to consider, however in this case we are talking about the exact same product. We use the exact same system Vivint uses, it’s the exact same 2GIG alarm equipment and the exact same Alarm.com service. You saying that Vivint’s product is worth it but our product isn’t really worth it is nonsense, our product is identical to Vivint’s product at a better price and we also offer additional valuable services that Vivint doesn’t.

      I believe the saying you are looking for is “you get what you pay for”. That sometimes rings true but it doesn’t mean you should pay more for the same product. Most people would agree with me that getting an equal or in this case an even better product for a lower price is a smart buying decision. Don’t you agree? I would hope so.

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      • preston  August 5, 2012

        Ryan, I like a lot of what you have to say but you argument against the “college kid” in my opinion is pointless and misleading. For example, does it take a rocket scientist or an engineering degree to customize a home security system to someones house? How is your expert advice about having a door contact put on the door going to provide more security than if a college kid has it done? In fact you say you use the exact same wireless equipment (2gig technologies) that vivint uses so it will probably do the exact same thing. Right? So how does your immense back ground really change anything? You then proceed to paint a picture about a possible break-in scenario but its a little misleading. In the event of a possible break-in you blame the sales rep like he had anything to do with it and could do anything about it since he is probably back in school – or exaggerated “Cancun.” The police are the ones that would respond to the break-in not the college kid, not you. The system when tripped will notify the monitoring company, they in tern will call the customer and local authorities. In terms of getting the system fixed if it is malfunctioning they have local service technicians like ADT or any other large national company that live nearby and service an area. Are you a better service technician? Maybe, I don’t know.

        In my opinion it looks to me like they only thing you have to offer is a better price and thats it. Which is nothing to be ashamed and I dont mean to down talk that because that can be a huge deciding factor in business but the other arguments dont seem to carry much weight.

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        • Ryan Boder
          Ryan Boder  October 21, 2012

          Hi Preston,

          You make some good points and I’ll admit that I have a habit of talking smack about Vivint. This article is a little exaggerated in an attempt to be funny so if I’ve offended you I apologize. However, I think you’re underplaying the huge difference between a college kid who will only be around a few months and an experienced adult who’s livelihood depends on building long term trust with customers. If the college kid misunderstands, get’s lazy or misleads the potential customer then there are little to no repercussions for that bad behavior. By the time the system fails the customer, the salesman is long gone and the customer is left to deal with Vivint’s legal team, they have no one to hold responsible. When customers deal with my security engineers, the individual who designed the system will have their feet held to the fire for any mistake they might have made and God help them if they lied to a customer because they would have to deal with me. Good sales is about trust.

          You’re right that it doesn’t require someone with my advanced engineering background to design a security layout. Someone with my background is capable of actually designing the security equipment itself which is what I used to do for a living and how I got involved in this industry. However, a strong technical background does help. I understand the equipment better than any Vivint door to door sales trainer and you can take that to the bank. Hence, the salesmen I train benefit from that higher level of understanding and have a better understanding of the equipment, it’s capabilities and limitations than a Vivint salesman.

          Would you feel more comfortable buying a car from a fly-by-night used car salesman still in college that only intends to be in the business for a few months or an experienced adult who has been well trained by the manufacturer and is making a career out of helping people choose the right car? That’s the difference I’m talking about. It’s even more significant in this case because security systems need to be more customized than cars.

          Best Regards,
          Ryan

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      • Blake Adams  March 13, 2013

        Well geez I wonder how Vivint is one of the largest alarm companies if they just send out college kids from Utah.
        Why would Blackstone one of the largest investment firms in the world acquire 2 gig then right after buy out vivint for 2 billion dollars? How does a company grow so much when most of their employees are dishonest, pushy college kids?

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        • Ryan Boder
          Ryan Boder  March 15, 2013

          Hi Blake, you would know better than I, this article is about you. Your Facebook page says you started working at Vivint in 2011 while you were a college student at BYU in Utah.

          https://www.facebook.com/blake.adams.5074

          I also see that you have a Texas alarm salesman license issued as a Vivint employee.

          https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/psb/individual/individual_details.aspx?id=8kt2G%7C2t0

          Tell us, why did Vivint change it’s name from APX just before you started working there? Was it because they had a reputation for honest sales tactics?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSHgKSp2Mo

          Was it honest of you to refer to Vivint in the 3rd person in you comment given that you work there? Thanks for helping make my point. FYI, I don’t think all of Vivint’s employees are dishonest and pushy. I even know and like a few of them. Even they admit to the reputation Vivint has earned itself. Is it possible for a company with a bad reputation to be big and successful? Ask ADT. I’ll admit that Vivint is doing a great deal now to try and fix bad rep but it’s a rep that was well deserved and you know that first hand.

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          • Blake Adams  March 21, 2013

            I do work for Vivint, and I have loved every second of it! It’s awesome being a part of a company with such a promising future. The rebrand in 2011 has been a huge success. Vivint and the color orange stand out a lot more than APX, and the color blue. How many alarm companies have a three letter name? A lot! Yes there are bad reviews about Vivint/APX, but when you have a lot of customers your bound to have complaints. You probably know the details on the complaints better than I do, but last I checked Vivint has 1300 complaints on the BBB, and all of them have been resolved. 1300 hundred complaints for over 500,000 customers nationwide is actually really good.

            I honestly don’t know what you thought you were going to accomplish with this article on Vivint, because any smart consumer will look up the good and the bad about any company before making a buying decision. Clearly the numbers say that the good about Vivint out weigh the bad. Forbes recently ranked Vivint the 46th most promising company in America. I believe they were the only Home automation company in over 100 companies they ranked. I could list a ton of awards Vivint has won but that would take too long. You’ve done a great job at looking up the bad about VIvint, but have you looked up anything good? I don’t think you have or you wouldn’t have wrote this article.

            Doesn’t your company use 2 gig? Why did the former President of 2 gig, Todd Santiago leave to be the Chief Sales officer at Vivint? Why did Blackstone aquire 2 gig then right after aquire Vivint for 2 billion dollars? I think I saw your the president of your company, how do you even have the time to respond to these comments? I do wish you the best of luck, with your company. Sounds like you offer a great deal.

          • Ryan Boder
            Ryan Boder  March 25, 2013

            Blake, there are a lot of good things about Vivint, I agree with that. I certainty like you better than ADT. As a business, Vivint is a force to be reckoned with and growing fast. Yes, we use the exact same 2GIG equipment you do and I am a big fan of 2GIG. Why did Todd leave 2GIG for Vivint? I don’t know, ask Todd. Probably because there is a lot more money to be made in selling alarm contracts than selling alarm equipment. Why did I write this article? First and foremost because it’s accurate, informative and pretty hilarious to read. It’s been read by many and I get very positive feedback about it. Second, it’s a great way to inform the public that we do everything you do and more, but we do it technically better and at a better price. We aren’t nearly as good at hard selling as Vivint, but we’re better at providing security and home automation and we’re better at keeping our customers happy. I think people deserve to know that, don’t you? How do I have time to respond to these comments? It ain’t easy, I don’t sleep much.

  5. Nick  November 20, 2011

    Funny how you delete the comments that aren’t necessarily in your companies favor.

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  November 20, 2011

      Are you referring to your friend Nicole’s comment? If so it was simply stuck in moderation until I had a chance to log in and approve it. That’s how we keep spam and offensive comments off our web site. We don’t censor valid comments.

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  6. Gary  June 20, 2012

    Vivint owns 2gig. You can’t stop the machine

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  June 20, 2012

      Hi Gary,

      No Vivint does not own 2gig, they are separate entities. My understanding is that some of the Vivint ownership also owns stock in 2gig but that does not mean Vivint owns 2gig. It makes sense that Vivint owners would invest in 2gig since they obviously believe in 2gig but that doesn’t mean Vivint owns 2gig. In fact, 2gig prefers when customers buy from them outside of Vivint because it makes them less dependent on Vivint!

      Best Regards,
      Ryan

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      • Anjo  August 29, 2012

        I completly agree! I got my alarm sytesm for a number of reasons and, 2 years later, I’m still loving it (peace of mind!). I’ve inadvertently opened my windows/doors while my alarm was on and was really impressed with Vivint’s response time. Family members have their security provided by another company and the response time is awful (think of a break-in in a store. They waited 50 minutes before dispatching the police because they were unable to reach the owners!!). Needless to say they will be switching over

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    • Melis  August 29, 2012

      I totally agree as I am a rierted law enforcement officer with 22+ years. I would like to add however that in our business, or from a homeowners stand, prevention is the key along with detection and response.I wish Vivint would understand the need for a better visual sign (orange is fine, but outline the white letters in black) and bigger window stickers. A good visual window sticker measures 6 x4 , not the 3 x1 that has been shipped to my house twice.If the burglar sees a security sign on the windows and on a yard sign, they will go to the next house that doesn’t have any visual signs of security. If the burglar can’t see the window sticker, or can’t read the yard sign, sure enough he or she will break in.

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      • Ryan Boder
        Ryan Boder  October 21, 2012

        Melis,

        How do you feel about window and door reinforcement to actually help prevent a burglar from breaking in?

        Best Regards,
        Ryan

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  7. Kevin  October 1, 2012

    I love the passion and naivety of door-to-door sales. It thrills me to see young people doing it the hard way, so I support this method whenever it makes sense to do so. Their strategy was well-crafted, planned and orchestrated to the second, trading texts across multiple installers to flood our neighborhood with coeds peddling alarm systems on bicycles. I was actually so impressed with their little army that I signed up more out of fascination than anything else, although their interface was attractive. Duped by another salesperson… on a bike. Ouch.

    Of course I was assured that if we ever moved or decided to cancel service that they would “work with us.” After relocating after shortselling our home we quickly figured out that leaving APX was a lot like leaving the Mormon church; they may let you go, but your checkbook stays with them… at least until you’ve paid your “fair share,” which equates to the entire balance of a 48-month contract (give or take elective equipment). Not a fan.

    After that experience, we don’t want a home security system. The signs in the yard and on the windows work really well… for free.

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  8. matt f  March 29, 2013

    I was recently offered a job for vivint. I am a college student, and would have to relocate to hawaii to take the job as a door to door salesman. now i can definitely see ryan’s side and opinion on the company, with respect to its actions in the home security industry. However, i would be working for vivint’s solar energy branch, which as i was told, works in a similar manner. It negates the upfront cost of the equipment and installation, but charges consumers for the energy, at prices that match or are lower than what the consumer’s current monthly energy bill is (you can imagine the profits that can be made here in the long run). Even if its not the best deal in town, in my opinion its pretty hard to turn down an offer from a college student where the only thing you are being “scammed” out of is money that you would save. It seems more ethical, successful, and you are helping the environment to boot. Anyways, i cant seem to find much information on this aspect of the company, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or feedback on it, and if i should accept the summer job.

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  March 29, 2013

      Hi Matt, I don’t have any information for you on that side of the company but if you decide to take it, let us know how it goes. Best Regards, Ryan

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  9. Andrew Garrett  May 12, 2013

    Hi Ryan,

    Before you accuse one of Forbes magazines top 100 most promising companies of being unethical, why don’t you take a look in the mirror. In my opinion, your article is unethical because it is misleading. You say that Vivint charges $69/month for security which is not true. They charge $69/month for home automation, which includes heating and air, automatic door locks, and video surveillance. Make sure you get your facts straight–honesty is the best policy. If you have to trash other companies to make your company look better, then it probably isn’t all that great in the first place. Nobody has ever heard of your little company that you run from your garage, but Vivint is now going international in Europe and Australia.

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    • Ryan Boder
      Ryan Boder  May 12, 2013

      Hi Andrew,

      Years ago, when this post was written, Vivint did not have a $49.99 security-only package like you are referring to. The Vivint salesmen I spoke with prided themselves on never taking less than $69/month. The people I interviewed who were Vivint customers and/or had been pitched by Vivint door-knockers, corroborated this. This article was written a year before you became a Vivint salesman in 2012, as I can see on your Facebook page.

      https://www.facebook.com/andrew.garrett.7737/about

      Why is it that those who disagree with or object to this post usually turn out to be Vivint employees?

      However, I see your point, this article should be updated to reflect Vivint’s current pricing. I will take care of that for you right now. I hope that doing so will, in your eyes, redeem my ethics.

      I would also like to point out a few things you said that I disagree with.

      1) We don’t operate out of my garage. We have a 5000 sq ft office in Columbus, Ohio. I highly recommend that anybody in central Ohio considering Vivint check us out and compare. If you decide that Vivint is the better service, by all means become a Vivint customer. However, I am proud to say that has never happened that I am aware of, not once.

      2) Compared to Vivint we absolutely are a little company. Is that a bad thing? I don’t think so. However, we are growing.

      3) I don’t think Vivint, as a company, is unethical. I think the practice Vivint has championed of knocking on a door with a tech sitting around the corner, hurriedly talking someone into signing a 42 month contract on the spot, and installing the same day is unethical. We don’t do it and we won’t do it. The customer never has a chance to shop around and by the time they think it through and buyer’s remorse sets in, the system has already been installed and the salesman has moved on. In Ohio, we have regulations against this kind of shady sales practice and that’s why you don’t see many Vivint signs around here – because the customer has to sign the contract 3 days before the installation takes place.

      4) Being listed as one of Forbes’ top 100 most promising companies does not say anything about your ethics, just your financials. That’s a weak argument.

      Best Regards,
      Ryan

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      • Andrew  June 13, 2013

        Matt,

        Thanks for the update on the article. And just to make you aware, vivint does in fact offer contracts for 36 months at 44.99 a month. That is the lowest price we can offer to customers. We normally set people up at 49.99 by default, but we can do 44.99 if they request it, and we can do 36 month contracts as well. Just thought you might like to know. Glad to hear you like the 2gig equipment.

        Regards,
        Andrew

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